Friday, February 10, 2006

Why St Gobnait, Ballyvourney and Knocknagree?

Three years ago (September 2003) my husband Tim and I visited Ireland for two weeks. We had meant to hire a car and dash around catching a quick glimpse of everything, but found Cork, where the Herlihys originated, so fascinating that we skipped northern Ireland from lack of time.

We were directed to Ballyvourney and Knocknagree in County Cork by Tim's relative Pat Herlihy. Here is an excerpt from his writings on the Herlihy family to explain why we went there:

"...William Herlihy wrote an obituary for his grandfather David in 1670 and claimed that his family had been in Ballyvourney since before the time of Christ. This is poetic time, not actual. But it shows William's understanding of the ancient derivation of his ancestors.

St Gobnait came to Ballyvourney in 550AD and the Herlihy chief gave land to her to build a convent. The Irish FolkLore Society recorded several testimonies about it in the 1950's and an historian of the 18th century says that the then rulers of the parish gave land to St. Gobnait. She kept bees and saved the people from plague. But in the many years since then some of the associations of the pagan feast of Imbolc on 1st February have become attached to her and her feast on 11th February. Six or so of the more important members of the family group were now living in raths - small embanked and enclosed farmsteads within sight of each other. The distribution of these can still be seen on today's maps and the concentration is still in the east of the parish with the convent close to the centre of the settled area. There are signs of iron working in the convent to suggest a flourishing institution. The climate was milder now, farming flourished and the living was good. I suspect that iron was now readily available for tools as well as weapons and a coulter plough [with a knife at the front] would have permitted ploughing of grassland for the first time and an increase of food production.

After 600AD the historical period of written records gradually emerges. The arrival of Christianity produced a magnificent achievement in art and the preservation of ancient literature. Eventually Vikings plundered the richer monasteries from 800AD. But one reminder of the riches of the time remains in that it is possible to see a rich reliquary containing the arm of St. Lachtain in the National Museum in Dublin and this was originally kept in Kilnamartyra. There was also a gold statue of St. Gobnait. In the annals there are references to a tribe called the Muscraige in the area along the southern slopes of the mountains from Ballyvourney to Cork. To the south is an ancient tribe called the Corcu Loigde and to the north the Ciarriage. And between these older peoples were groups of a new and growing confederation of rulers who called themselves the Eoganaght. So Ballyvourney was a small unit in Muscraige Mittaine but the convent had thrived and the ruling family were becoming transformed into hereditary guardians of the whole parish for the church - to come under the lordship of the Bishop of Cloyne when dioceses were instituted around 1000AD.

In the 11th century a Romanesque church was constructed and it seems likely that someone took the pilgrimage to Compostella. Each family group in Ireland took the name of a grandfather as a surname and the leaders of Ballyvourney became O'Iarlath in place of the old tribal name. This became lost. There was a great antiquarian movement to research the past but unfortunately this was usually subverted by contemporary rulers to give quasi- historical justification for their current claims. The Normans invaded Ireland in 1166 - 100 years after conquering England. They conquered Muskerry at first before loosing the western part of it after the battle of Callan in 1261. O'Flynn ruled Muskerry then and had castles at Macroom and in Kilnamartyra but Ballyvourney was partly out of his jurisdiction as church lands. One authority on family names has suggested that the O'Herlihys moved in from the Uaithne tribe near the Shannon estuary about this time. These were another ancient Irish tribe. But I think not; there are too many clues and likelihoods to accept it.

The climate worsened in the early 14th century and the Black Death of 1348 was only the beginning of a whole series of epidemics. Population decreased and there was a regrowth of woodland. But the records of the diocese of Cloyne contain the first mention of the name O'Herlihy as priests and church officers from 1417 onwards. The O'Flynns were superseded by a branch of the MacCarthy dynasty but the erenaghs [Herlihys, Healys and Longs] were not ousted for they had the protection of the church. One Herlihy became a Bishop of Ross, attended the Council of Trent, was imprisoned by Queen Elizabeth in the Tower of London and eventually retired to a cabin above Macroom. He is buried in Kilcrea Abbey.

During the Elizabethan wars O'Sullivan of Beare conducted an epic retreat from Kerry to the north and passed through Ballyvourney on his second day, fighting off attacks from MacCarthy enemies from Carrigaphooca castle.

Cromwell passed through Cork in 1649. But he left his generals to crush the local peoples. They took off the roof of the church to suggest desolation and hid the golden statue of St. Gobnait and other of her relics. The Colthurst family took over the parish as the new rulers. Many Herlihys remained as tenants for a time but were gradually forced out over the next 200 years. William Petty surveyed all the confiscated lands of Ireland in his Down Survey and there records 6 Herlihys owning lands in the parish. All were forfeit. The 6" Ordnance Survey maps of 1850 show some small fields with rounded boundaries interlocked with others of similar shape. The boulders in the walls suggest ancient construction and they are likely to be the small areas of "arable" recorded by Petty for 1650. It is possible to se that by then some settlement had spread into the western parts of the parish. David Herlihy, the chief of the parish, attempted to continue some of the traditional ways and held a court of poetry at his house - a poor remnant of the great bardic schools of the middle ages. And several of his family were priests. But before long he was banished and fled to Glen Flesk, over the hills to the north, where O'Donoghue held out against the newcomers for many years. His grandson, William composed a poem on his death that claimed ancient association with the older Erainn peoples of the south west, albeit in the muddled historic understanding that was the best knowledge of the time. Over the next 200 years the Colthursts became an important family in Co. Cork [George Colthurst owns Blarney castle], the forests were cut down for cash and much land was reclaimed to support the
growing, if desperately poor, population, in large rectangular fields.

Sometime, probably late, in the 18th century our branch of the family had to leave Ballyvourney and move to the even poorer land to the north of the Derrynasaggart Mountains called Slieve Luachra. It had been devastated in the Elizabethan wars. A flourishing monastery in Nohoval had been destroyed and the surrounding inhabitants had fled. Into this meagre land came several men with the family name. William rented a farm of 100 acres and had two sons, Pad and Jer. Pad was born in 1797 and his descendants lived in his half of the farm until it was sold in 1975. Jer's children all left for the five continents of the world. William [eventually] and Jerry for Chicago, Patrick for New Zealand, Jim for London, Catherine's family for Washington state, John to Africa [died in the Boer war] and Humphrey to India. Jer's older children were born before or over the famine years [1850] and are not recorded. But the area they grew up in
contained some of the best musicians and poets of the time - composing and playing traditional tunes. Owen Roe O'Sullivan died in 1784 in Knocknagree after being beaten up by the thugs of a local middleman. Padraig O'Keefe, the blind fiddler of the 1950s would have been taught by those who played in the farmers' houses a generation before. But by 1900 the families had mostly scattered, for a second time and now throughout the world."

Knocknagree is the town nearest the area of Upper Nohaval, where we found Pad and Jer's farmhouses still standing, and the ruins of a hut beside the graveyard at Upper Nohaval where someone told me Pad lived at one time as guardian of the graveyard (maybe in old age?).

12 Comments:

Blogger Debra said...

Dear Paula, Thank you so much for the wonderful information posted on this blog. Such a lot of research has been done and it has been fascinating reading for me and my family. I am related to Patrick Herlihy who came to Australia in the mid 1800's. I believe he came alone and was the only member of his family to emigrate to Australia. He married my great-grandmother in Victoria and soon thereafter moved with his wife and 1st child to North Dandelup, Western Australia and eventually to Perth, WA where most of the family remain. My father moved to Victoria in 1950 and this part of the family live in Victoria. If you have any further information I would be grateful to receive it. I don't know how this family connect to yours. If you know, can you let me know. Patrick's father was Daniel Herlihy & mother was Nora Buckley and apparently all remained in Ireland.

6:05 PM  
Blogger Michael Herlehy said...

Paula, this is just amazing. I am most likely one of the descendants of one of the Herlihy's who moved to a Chicago, although I'm not sure which one. My grandfather was Donald James. He died when I was very young. I had heard that he was one of many in his family, probably the oldest and his parents died when he was young. Our name was changed to Herlehy. I am told it was because the Herlihy who came over didn't dot the i. Perhaps most fascinating is I am a writer, although often not a very good one. I always suspected that my love for it came from my dad. I passed it on to my daughter.

Thank you for all of this.

Michael Herlehy

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3:08 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Hi Paula. This is a really interesting account of the Herlihys. I'm also an O'Herlihy but not from the Ballyvourney branch. However, I am certainly related to Debra, your first poster as Daniel Herlihy and Nora Buckley are my great great grandparents. I have Patrick on my tree with a note that he had emigrated to Australia. I would love to make contact with her and share info.I canbe contacted at dorothyoherlihy@gmail.com

3:21 PM  
Blogger Achmet said...

Well done Paula, great bit of history.
My grandmother was a Herlihy of Ballyvourney (married Horgan) and her ancestor was Timothy Herlihy of Carriganima, (my great/great/grandfather, I think). We used to visit Ballyvourney as kids.
John (now in South Australia)

8:30 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

well done paula my grandfather was william herlihy from ballyvourney and moved to tullig dripseyhe married hannah kelleher and a son a daughter timothy and juliamay

11:25 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Hi Paula
Im getting desperate looking for information about my GG Grandmother Mary jane Early nee Herlihy as far as we know she was convicted in Galway transported to Australia for sheep stealing in 1845 aboard the Kinnear she was widowed in about 1845 and had one child who we believe stayed behind. she then married my GG Grandfather John Parker in Tasmania in 1851 i cand find any leads we believe her first husbands name was Martin Early

5:48 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Hi im a herlihy to im in Sydney australia my grandfather was eric lived in gillingham kent moved to Australia in the 60s

6:30 AM  
Blogger micheal o herlihy said...

Amazing stuff, proud of the name. Micheal o herlihy from ballyvourney.

10:19 AM  
Blogger JON NEYLON said...

I'm Jonathan, grandson of Mollie Herlihy who married the quiet man from Clare, PatricK Neylon. Mollie did a lot of charity work for the church. She was a teacher as were her other two sisters , Maggie and Nora. Their father my Great grandad was headmaster of Kiskeam School.
John H, and Patrick or Pat as he was known are all buried in Kiskeam Cemetry. Mollie died when she was 100 yrs old in 1979 . My Father John as you correctly state, was a Doctor, a GP in Walsall West midlands U.K. and died in 1999. He had 4 sons. I retired from general Practice in 2014. I loved their house in Kiskeam. It was crammed with books, even the garage was crammed. I rescued a great many of them, belonging to all John Herlihy's children including himself. I must have over 200 hundred of their books, which I treasure. Nora had two grandchildren, Finbar, a headmaster, probably now retired, in Boherboy the next village east of kiskeam, and Kevin o'keefe, a priest who celebrated my father's requiem mass. Bob who was actually Daniel John Herlihy , brother of Mollie was a priest, and is buried in Kiskeam church entrance .

Many thanks for your article.

11:06 AM  
Blogger JON NEYLON said...

Dear Paula, On further research of my records which I am compiling, I have found a requiem mass card for Brendan William O'Herlihy , died 29th January 1960 aged 81yrs, RIP.
He was probably born in 1878, the same year as my grandmother Mollie was born, one of the children of Pad's John. My Father drew up a family tree Brendan was not mentioned. I found his mass card in my Grandmother's missal. Having studied your very helpful and interesting records. Can I suggest that he may be the son of William, the son of John and Mary Riordan,descended from William of Novahal. Brendan's second name is William which would be in keeping with Irish tradition of naming fisrt born sons. I have books of all 4 children of John Herlihy all with their signatures and dates and various memnetos, but no books of Brendan's.
Once again thank you for your help. Jon Neylon.

8:59 AM  
Blogger Michael j herlihy said...

Michael j herlihy. I still live in knocknagree. I never knew our history till know. Browsing through the net. Thanks for doing the research.

3:22 PM  

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